There are few problems with those so let's try to adress them. 1, Formation of Renegades is entirely reliant on Illidari happening. (The only one who doesn't require it is Ashen Verdict, but Ashen Verdict is stupid path unless FT is destroyed anyway) => Alliance has to lose initial 6v6. This is not that problematic, as it's not that uncommon scenario. Rather, problem is that HB players, instead of going Illidari, choose to join either the Undead or Legion. This imbalances the game by snowballing the victor even moreso(as Blood Elves usually ally the winning team), giving the winning team free Sunwell and another member. 2, The core of the Old Gods team is composed by either the Twilight or Dark Iron. Problem is that only one has potential to happen in any given game. Why? Because for Twilight to happen, Legion has to lose. For Dark Iron to happen, Alliance has to lose. If either of these second chances happen, the victor simply wipes them out immediately, as their positioning is quite unfortunate. (Exception is if Cho'gall is high enough level to get Yogg-Saron, but even then he usually gets murdered by the Undead). My current vision is something like this: Whether its the Alliance or Evil who loses 6v6, both will CERTAINLY lead to the creation of the neutral team. For Alliance lose, it's Renegades with Illidari. (I suggest that Fel Elves and Wretched are removed as second chance, they simply imbalance the game too much. They could possibly return as the third chance, if the Illidari's Renegades objective has failed - very weak, only a support to whatever team they decide to join. Food capped at 50 or 100.) For Legion lose, it's Old Gods with Twilight. RENEGADES: Renegades objective: Destroy Archimonde and Frozen Throne. This encourages neutral team to attack the winning Evil team. If Renegades destroy Frozen Throne/Kill Lich King : Cult autotriggers Ashen Verdict. Forsaken join them. If Renegades kill Archimonde: Council autotriggers Syndicate. Maghteridon dies and OJ becomes part of Renegades. Forsaken changes: 1, Using Eye of Sargeras no longer forces Forsaken out of Undead team, but greatly weakens them as long as they remain in that team. (food cap and other things) 2, Sentinels removed from Forsaken. Cult changes: 1, Can no longer go Ashen Verdict on its own. OLD GODS: Old Gods objective: Destroy Alliance. This encourages neutral team to attack the winning Alliance team. If Old Gods destroy Ironforge: Dwarves join them as Dark Iron. If Old Gods destroy Dalaran/New Dalaran: Purple joins them as Worgen. If Frozen Throne is destroyed by anyone, Nerubians join Old Gods by default. I think this will require defense buff of Azjol-Nerub, tho. THIS IS MERELY A BRAINSTORM IDEA AND NOT A FINISHED ONE. THERE MAY STILL BE A LOT OF ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE SOLVED. THE BASIC PREMISE IS THAT LOSING TEAM NOW TURNS NEUTRAL AND SLOWLY GATHERS IT'S FULL STRENGTH. Example: 1 Alliance loses, Undead get North and Legion gets South. Civil War gets triggered. Illidari happens and slowly get's its new members, weakens members of ongoing battle (Undead with Eye of Sargeras, Legion by attacking Outland). If succesfull they pull off a comeback by getting their objectives finished and getting new team members.