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    Quel'thalas

    "Long time ago, the high elves landed in Tirisfal and settled there to feed on magic of the area, but lots of them became to turn mad and sick due to a bad inlfuence beneath the ground, so they continued traveling to the east, till finding eversong woods and settling there, where they created a great city: Silvermoon, and stablished the Sunwell in an island of the north, wich would feed them for the yeats to come. But eversong woods were not empy, full of trolls of the Amani Empire, the elves had to fight to prosper, soon it became a massive war called as the Troll War wich was won only thanks to the humans, who saved the elves of extinction. But the endless war between Quel'thalas and Zul Aman didnt end with that victory, lots of battles has came later, the last one was the Second War, in wich the orcs allied with the trolls and they burnt part of the eversong woods and Eastweald, and sieged Quel'thalas, again, the elves were saved thanks to the humans. But now, more problems seems to appear in the south, with the humans bussy with the orcs and a new plague, the elves will have to deal with the Amani on their own, except from some help of Nathanos, ranger captain in the Eastweald. The elves are smaller and weaker, but they are wiser and much better magicians, with the blessing of the sunwell, the power of their magi and the wise rule of Anasterian, they will achieve victory once again."

    The Alliance is a team of cooperation, Dalaran, Dwarves and Lordaeron will fight agaisnt the horde, first legion and silver hand will purge the undeads and Eastweald will help the dwarves in the hinterlands. But the elves are quite isolated, far away in the north, with the southern reaches of their realm burnt and abandoned, they may only recieve help of the eastweald to face the amani. They are much stronger than you, and will defeat you with no doubt at all... Unless you use your magic: Sunwell will empower your elven units, making them able to face the trolls in combat and Bandinoriel protects Silvermoon from a direct attack, also, the great houses of Quel'thalas: Duskwhiter, Sunstrider, Dawnstar and Windrunner will do their best to protect their lands and the realm. And finally, the farstriders will help you from their two holdings, one in eversong woods and one int he burntlands. You must use your armies to protect this special features as long as posible, specially the 3 crystals that will take down Bandinoriel shield and the Sunwell; and, if you are able to it, enter Zul Aman and destroy their altars to end their threat once for all.

    Units

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    You have a nice army, with several infantry troops, ranged units, a proper siege and a good bunch of casters or semicaster units to buff your units. If used properly you have tools to defeat a bigger and stronger enemy. You only have 1 flaw: your complete lack of cavalry, your army is balanced and designed to be strong with sinergies, but you have poor movility, so if the trolls do several coordinated attacks at different locations, their guerrilla warfare might end destroying your special points one by one. To counter this you have a really useful tool: elven rangers, this units lead by sylvanas will allow you to scout the woodlands, and know where the trolls are and where they will strike. Using this info wisely you can ambush them, or destroy their armies if they split too much, or even invade Zul Aman while they are assaulting your villages. Finally your elite is Sunstrider Archmage, a powerful mage-priest unit that will support your units and destroy your enemies, specially the risen undeads if they ever dare to enter your woodlands.

    Heroes

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    Your main hero is Anasterian Sunstrider, High King of Quel'thalas (center), he is a powerful mage and warrior that will fight fiercely anyone who might date to invade your kingdom. But he is unrevivable. You also start with Sylvanas Windrunner (right), ranger general of Silvermoon, a great archer and commander, she is unrevivable. Finally, your third hero is Lorthemar Theron, leader of the Farstriders, he is your only revivable starting hero, a fierce mele warrior with some magic tricks.

    If Silvermoon falls to the enemy and Anasterian dies, Kael'thas, prince of Quel'thalas, will leave the ruling council of Six of Dalaran to come to help his own people, renaming them as blood elves, Kael is revivable. Finally, if Sylvanas is killed, you can call Halduron Brightwing if you want to, he is revivable too. ​

    Events
    Bandinoriel protects Silvermoon from an attack. It is guarded by 3 crystals, if you lose them all, the shield will fall.
    Sunwell boosts your elven units, if you lose it, your army will become weaker and might lose agaisnt your enemies.
    You start with 4 Elven Spires of the 4 noble families of Quel'thalas, they will help you to keep the land, but are destroyable.
    You start with 2 Elven Lodges of the farstriders, they will help you to keep the land, but are destroyable.
    If Silvermoon falls and Anasterian dies, you can become Blood Elves, just a name swap to call Kael as hero.
    In future patches Blood Elves will be able to ask Thrall to join the horde (maybe i keep Blood Elve name just for Horde elves to be easier to track their alleigance for non alliance members).
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    My only gripe here is that you're using BElven units for High Elves even though there are plenty of high elven models both in wc3 itself and on Hive.
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    I havent seen so much high elven units on the hive and i didnt know i have high elves in wc3 till u told me to use roc versions, and even then, they are just 2 models. I used this BE models cause they look cool to me and, specially, gives a "style feeling", i mean, the units share shame kind of armour, style, etc, what is awesome for the "faction feeling". I also didnt want to use wc3 priest and sorcerer cause already 2 factions owns them and i wanted to give more variety to the factions and not just copy paste units. But... Now i have those 2 he models of w3 i will think about it again and check my saved hive models, in case i find something cool that can fit more high elves and keep the same gameplay and roster, i may change them. I could use different models for Dalaran and keep sorcerer and priest models for be instead... I have to study it.

    If you have any model u like about high elves, share it with me. And if there are any other high elve model in w3 im missing, tell it to me pls. I dont like the high elven model with tall helmets from lotr of the hive :D, also i used more BE models cause that way i could use vanilla swordman and spellbreaker, and that means 2 less models to import, and reduce filesize is somehting im having in mind with every thing i do. Even erasing as much as posible and studying everything to pick the best, im already in 18MB :/
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    There's a high elven dragonhawk rider model as well.
    upload_2019-1-12_2-57-1.png

    As for models:
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/bloodelfdragonhawk-blp.268098/#resource-42011
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/high-elf-geomancer.309078/#resource-80759
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/high-elf-druid.308283/#resource-80230
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/thread...elf-worker_by-84chrome.304111/#resource-80736
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/sylvanuswindrunner_by67chrome-blp.172446/#resource-40902
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/sylvanas-windrunner-retex-v1-2.286565/#resource-67688
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/high-elf-chronomancer.152788/#resource-28463
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/high-and-blood-elf-swordsmen.272253/#resource-37398
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/herohighelfpaladin.278302/#resource-37844
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/elfaltar.294651/#resource-73235
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/highelfpriestess.216427/#resource-32780
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/elven-shieldsman.48766/#resource-21868
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/heropyromancer.309130/
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/great-elementals.306956/
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/highelfarcherv-2.298147/
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/hives-simple-edit-resources-thread.266899/page-19#post-2806334
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/hives-simple-edit-resources-thread.266899/page-37#post-3163632
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/hives-simple-edit-resources-thread.266899/page-33#post-3133878
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/hives-simple-edit-resources-thread.266899/page-24#post-2831457
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/blacksunelementalist.286575/
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/spellbreaker.286032/
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/elven-assassins.289127/
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/blacksunspellbreaker.285416/
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/elven-swordsman.48764/#resource-21863
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/undeadwarlock_human.50290/#resource-23509
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/riddenwareagle.49258/#resource-22345
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/elvenarchcleric.48586/#resource-21633
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/archmaiden.120592/#resource-26757
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/mounted-swordsman.165132/#resource-29342
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/crusader.259645/#resource-36514
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/elf-magi.262824/#resource-36762
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/highelfarcherv-2.298147/#resource-74452
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/thread...rk-elven-blademistress.142389/#resource-81721
    https://www.hiveworkshop.com/thread...runner-and-derivatives.286906/#resource-75157

    Just a few of them. Remember that you can use multiple skins without changing the base model.
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    Thanks for taking the time to look for this models. But im afraid i already had them all :/

    I didnt use them cause there are two kinds of units:

    These, wich i really dislike how the armour looks like (dragonhawk style)
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    And these, the "high helmet" kind i was talking to you yesterday, wich i dont think fits w3 elven style.
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    The "optimized" model of archer is unnecesary since it looks like mine, the heroes are not needed since i have them all added already and the swordsman cavalry is already ingame as a Silver Hand unit :D. There are 1-2 cool units, for example i was studying a lot to include the elven archcleric and the high elven spellbreaker, both of wich u have posted here, but i ended with the problem of having no more units of that style to fit with them, so i decided to use the current ones ingame. Specially since i dont like too much to waste file size in change a bit a unit that is already ingame for free, like spellbreaker into whiter one. The elven archer on eagle is another great example of it, i love the unit, i wanted to add it, but since i want only 1 air per faction and elves already have theirs in w3... I had to reject them.

    But you have posted something interesting, i checked all units in w3 for roc styles (i found orc catapult and human tanks wich have been useful for me so thanks :D), but i didnt notice the dragonhawk, i will check it. And another thing, i use SOOOO much models and new units, that i decided not to use textures, since most of the models shares textures and whenever i tried a new texture for a unit, it ended afecting parts of other units, making a fucking horrible mess. But... I may try to use a few high elven textures for a few units to give the feeling of a more high elven nation, since i already have all my units implemented, i could try every skin alone, and check if any of the other... 190? units :D is affected. I have them all together for testings and balance so a quick view should be enough to notice weird changes. And if i manage to get 2-3 high elven looking units, i can swap other of the blood elven models with the few cool high elves i have. The only problem i see is that High elves had mages, not "druids", but... i will give a look to skins in case something interesting appears.

    Thans for your feedback man :-)
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    FInally updated Quelthalas roster to look more High Elven, i have also finished the Blood Elven roster for Horde path. New high elve roster keeps the same gameplay of old, with same skills and everything, is just a new visual:

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    Up is BE units and down is HE units. Most keep the same skills and everything, the main change is Elven Militia becomes Blood Elf Infantry, wich is a heavy unit instead of light one. This change might be useful for an horde BE faction since they will lose human heavy armored support as front line.
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    I didnt want to use even more filesize, but ur first ballista is small enough and cool, i will use it. Thanks.

    I have also finished rebalancing FL and Dalaran due to this HE changes, i will post them soon. So... Just the troll factions to release and all rosters are shown, i want to adjust few Amani issues before releasing them 3 together. After that, i have bussy days irl, but only some tooltips checkings, event testings and skills comprobations will be needed to get everything ready for the first testing game. Only few heroes are left to do so i hope to have everything working in between 1 and 15 february :-)
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