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  1. Empress Azshara
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    Well hello there fellas I just learned some eastern eggs about wc3 that I didn't knew it before and I learned quite intresting story plots for the lore going
    For example that in that level when you murder Kelthuzad as Arthas, that level was orginally when Jaina was supposed to be killed and later ressurected as banshee one more motivation for arthas to kill more mal ganis. but could have happened with her?
    if she was ofcourse killed and resusrect as banshee who later this was given to sylvanas how might the lore have changed
    Another one was that illidan would have been a satyr originally but was alaso changed
    and even further more was planned that illidan would never save tyrande from river and she would die and so furion would follow maiev and hunt illidan down on outland also vashj and kealthas would have found a dwarf I think from second war surviving on outland and following them through campain
    but what I am interessed more is the Jaina becoming a banshee how would have this changed the lore, does anyone has any idea for this?
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    Where did you find these?

    OT: Jaina the Dark Lady and Banshee Queen! And then Sylvanas would be leading Theramore and get bombed and become anti Horde.
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    Sylvanas wouldnt be a thing at all and I think jaina would have become banshee quinn but not the same as sylvans is today
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    Here
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    @Arlt Jaina, the Banshee Queen
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    Tbh, it says nothing about Jaina becoming a Banshee.
    It only indicates that Blizzard eventually considered at some point to introduce Jaina, so she would die within the mission against the Cult, while yet she's resurrected at a later point.
    How and by what... that's not in the dialoque.

    Note, that Resurrection is a paladin spell - Resurrection musn't mean raised by undead, but could simply mean that beings like Medivh or Uther simply interfered and saved Jaina from death.


    If we go however by the scenario, then it would roughly be this:
    If Jaina dies early on and gets resurrected by the Cult, Arthas would probably be more furious, when it came to Mal'ganis, while dismissing Uther's words at Stratholme completely. The task of Medivh to safe the remnants of Lordaeron either fails or gets bestowed to Uther - let's say it would be Uther saying yes for the sake of making things more interesting.
    Events would go on then in Northrend and Lordaeron by normal with the exception of Arthas being supported by his Ghost Queen (to differ her from Sylvanas in this text piece), Uther and a few other Paladins not being there to protect Lordaeron, wheras the Ashes of Kel'Thuzad get restored at the Sunwell as in lore. Sylvanas is also raised as a subordinate to Jaina.

    In Kalimdor, things would probably go a different way, as the humans would hold a more different position towards the Orcs than they originally did in the campaign.
    With Grom Hellscream succumbing to the blood curse, Medivh might interfere in order to make sure that Uther and Thrall see eachother as allies, but there would be no hope to save Grom Hellscream, as Uther's remnants along with himself don't have the capable magic to free him from his bonds. Hellscream, along with other orcs, who survive the tremendous slaughter are captured successfully by both Thrall and the humans, but the fear of the Orcs remaining slaves to their curse remains.
    Both Thrall and Uther would then search for Mannoroth in an attempt to slay the pit lord once and for all, but for the loss of Uther's life they manage to banish the pit lord. Thrall, realizing the bravery and the strength of Uther will stand next to him, while promising to remember him and his deeds, growing a deep respect for the paladin's light magic.

    With Uther's Fall others among the remaining Silverhand order will continiue his agenda, while though the rift between Orcs and Humans will be larger. Eventually the Burning Legion would attack Mount Hyjal, while getting barely repelled by the death of Archimonde, but peace in Kalimdor would become an impossible task.
    Without Jaina, the isle, where Theramore lies, becomes known as Teranor (in memory of King Terenas), seat of the new kingdom of New Lordaeron, a zealous beacon in the middle of a barren wasteland, contested by the Orcs, Trolls and Tauren. Kul'Tiras would eventually hear of this new nation and eventually come to their aid in order to drive back the orcs. Propaganda from the Alliance side would spread the rumor, that Uther was murdered cowardly by Thrall after they defeated Mannoroth.

    Due to Rexxar's support the Alliance in Kalimdor would still recieve decesive losses within their assault, but the Horde lacks this time what it takes to conquer a paladin-commanded Teranor, as the forces of the Light would hold against the assault.
    It would be around this time, that Thrall and the Tauren would come to realize that the Horde would fail to withstand the Alliance on their own, thus warning the Night Elves as well from the constant threat the Alliance poses towards Kalimdor. In order to convince the Sentinels to join the Horde, Thrall even stops the expansion of the orcs into the Ashenvale forests, thus crippling Orgrimmar's growth tremendously, thus resulting in the Night elves gladly joining the defence of the Horde.
    In return, the Night Elves would offer Thrall and his people their teachings of druidism and wielding of the Light, which Thrall would accept without a hesitation.

    Surprised by the Night Elves' choice while infuriated about their betrayal, the Alliance would stop the assault, while Kul'Tiras would continiue its support towards the Silverhand in order to fortify New Lordaeron. With Northern Kalimdor being completely in hands of the Horde, the Alliance would eventually expand southwards.
    Furthermore Grommash Hellscream, still infused with the Fel blood and enraged by Thralls decision to betray him with the human's help would eventually break free with his Fel brethren and join up with the Legion forces, spread over Kalimdor. His fate will probably be sealed one day by adventurers, but not before he made the Horde bleed for what it has become.

    Meanwhile in Lordaeron, events occur as usual with the exception of Lordaeron's remnants falling quicker than expected. The forming of the Scarlet Crusade eventually occurs, but is short-lived as most of its members in lore had sailed with Uther to the shores of Kalimdor beforehand or rather seeked their luck with the Silverhand at Tyr's Hand.
    Thus the civil war between the Lichking, the Forsaken and the Dreadlords becomes slightly larger than in actual lore, even though it doesn't change the outcome.

    However, Jaina would break free and remain on Arthas' side, developing only a hatred upon her tormentor Kel'Thuzad, as she blames him guilty. The relationship between Arthas and his Ghost Queen would also result in his protection against Sylvanas during her betrayal, even though barely changing the result.
    With Arthas and Jaina sailing to Northrend though, Icecrown's defenses would be more likely increased in the final battle against Illidan, as Jaina would unleash her sorrow upon the enemy's armies, while shaking especially the morale of Prince Kael'Thas, who develops an even deeper hatred towards Arthas than in actual canon.

    Arthas eventually merges with the Lichking as he does in the TFT ending and Jaina becomes his Queen. Her being within the Scourge would grant Arthas more confidence in what he does, while at the other side a constant rivalry over Arthas' favor between Jaina and Kel'Thuzad would develop over the next years. Plots and attempts to actually kill the Lichlord of Naxxramas would occur, while the Lichking would only interfere slightly in order to protect both his vassals, thus creating doubts within the minds of his two favorite lieutnants.

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    In aftermath both the Alliance and the Horde will be severely weakened, as Teranor becomes a fortified, major fortress of the Silverhand, dangerously zealous and aggressive when it came to agendas against the Horde and the conquest of new territory. Stormwind and Ironforge would join this Alliance eventually, as in light of the Undead Plague, north of them in Lordaeron also leads them to the belief that they need to deal with the Horde first before they can overwhelm the Undead.
    With the Night Elves becoming slowly the leading faction of the Horde (as Thrall becomes unpopular as a war chief due to many of his failures among his own people), Warchief Tyrande Whisperwind will refuse the Forsaken to join the Horde, despite all attempts of Hamuul Runetotem to convince her to let them, thus leaving the Forsaken for a short period of time vulnerable to the strong opposition of the Scourge.

    Desperate for allies, Sylvanas would attempt to either try her luck with the Blood Elves in Quel'Thalas (thus joining up with the Illidari, as in this timeline the Forsaken won't convince the Blood Elves to join the Horde) or even reach out to get accepted by the Alliance. While the later seems likely in a world where the Alliance has to struggle for dominance, it would still invoke constant distrust among humanity against the Undead, leading eventually further to the downfall of the Forsaken.

    Due to Jaina's death, Stormwind will also remain controlled by the Black Dragonflight's machinations for a longer time, as the Horde would present the Alliance a man, who claims himself to be Varian, which the Alliance would call a ploy set up by the Horde in order to seize controll of them. Lo'gosh would be forced to work in services of the Horde until Onyxia's machinations would become clear to the public at some day.
    With the Alliance claiming the South of Kalimdor for themselves, they would furthermore venture into the depths of Silithus in order to destroy there the druidic outposts while establishing there their own holdfasts against the constant threat of 'bugs' within the region. With the opening of the Gates of Ahn'Quiraj, these forts would be swept from the landscape as the forces of the Old Gods sweep unchecked across the land, dealing major damage to both the Alliance and the Horde at the same time.


    That's what would most likely happen if Jaina dies during the human campaign.
    The Alliance would become darker and shallow than it is in canon, while the Horde becomes more defensive and Druid/light oriented, weakening orcish dominance immensely.
    Lordaeron and Northrend would remain mostly under controll of the Scourge, while the Illidari keep the Blood Elves of Quel'Thalas in any case as their most reliable ally.
    The future of the Forsaken seems doomed in light of Varimathras' future betrayal and the potential threat of Sylvanas' ambitions to obtain more Forsaken over ways the Alliance won't tolerate, as they are surrounded by enemies on (nearly) every side.
    The Burning Legion has better opportunities to install their agents within the Alliance and the Horde, as they fear eachother's dominance within Kalimdor, while the Old Gods are on the march as well, eventually having the chance to cleanse Kalimdor in the name of C'Thun.

    How it will go further from here... hard to tell.
    Maybe Illidan and his Illidari will have better chances to hunt down the Legion, maybe they won't.
    Maybe the Draenei will join up with the Horde this time, as the Horde is more pacifist and pretty much enclosing them around their landing zone.
    Will the meddlings of Kel'Thuzad and Jaina empower the Scourge in a unique way or split it up eventually at an unforseen point?

    So yeah... just my thoughts here.
    Was fun to theorize about it.

    edit: Also here a small world map of how the status quo would look like in/before WoW Classic most likely.
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    I know what would have happened if this was the case. @TheKaldorei would then have won lore arguments against me and we would have Malfurion in LTA.
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    Implying we won’t when you leave as editor ;).
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    But we wont?
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    Implying I will leave as editor. I'm having too much fun fighting everyone in the Forums, I don't think I'll ever leave now.
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